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Calling Lions

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Llano county

Well, it looks like my hog hunt in West Texas is going to turn into a lion hunt.  What a problem to have :-)

The ranch has been pushing roads into a part of the ranch never gone into before, back part of the 160,000 acres.  Each day the dozer's travel in and back out at the end of the day.  When they travel back in for another days work there are fresh lion tracks in the road.  The lions are staying in the same canyon area.  The ranch owner told my friend, when we come to hunt during the 16th - 23rd of Feb, that we need to try and call up a few lions.

The longest shot would be about 100 yards.  So, does anyone have any pointers on calling lions ?

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Palo Pinto county

I have no idea how to call lions, but man that is going to be a fun hunt. What a great trophy! I would make one into a rug in a heartbeat.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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I can't wait to hear how that hunt goes!

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Travis county

I have not heard of anyone "calling" lions.

Everyone I know focuses on the tracks. I would look for fresh tracks.

However, they are just another big predator. You would think a distress fawn call might work?

How about shoot a pig, open it up, and sit back? Especially if they are in the area?

I really hope you have a video camera on a tripod

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Llano county

I found a good Field Guide Story on hunting cougars.

I don't know if the pic will post, but a link is at the bottom.

Field Guide Story

The New Way To Hunt Cougars

More and more people throughout the west are hunting cougars "the hard way" and are tagging more cougars then ever thought possible.

Author: Wayne van Zwoll
 

Matt Highby with a large cougar.

Danny had no dogs. Finding a cougar would be tough. After all, many outdoorsmen spend years in cougar country without seeing one.

Then again, Danny was not only a skilled hunter, and physically fit; he was optimistic. "You have to stay on the track even when you know the odds are low," he says. "Trailing cats demands persistence."

Dawn came clear and cold, with a feathery inch of new snow on a base not yet too deep for easy hiking. Danny cut the spoor on a hill just above town on a sagebrush slope footing basalt cliffs. He worked the track all morning, aware that it was hours old and that the cat could be miles away.

But this time he got lucky. The track led him into the rocks. He stopped short of a cliff. "You'd best not show up at the front door," he advises. "Unless you want the cougar to stay inside where you can't shoot." Instead, Danny circled the bluff, looking for outbound tracks. He found none.

"So I went back below, swinging wide." It was now noon, hours after he'd seen the first prints. "I figured the cat would appear if I poked around long enough. But I didn't expect to see it so soon." Danny had hunted cougars enough to stay alert when he didn't expect action. "That's usually when things happen. In this case, the cat was out and moving - on my track!" He doesn't think the lion was stalking him. "Just curious, I suppose." Danny triggered his .25-06 Remington. The 100-grain Hornady put the cougar down.

It was this hunter's second cougar of the month. The first had jumped from a coulee Danny had entered to call coyotes. Another running shot. "You don't get the kitty-in-a-tree pose when you track," he grins. "And you seldom get second chances."

Following the tract of the cat.

Doing It With Out Dogs
Cougar hunting without dogs, once as laughable as fishing without a hook, no longer seems so far-fetched. For two reasons. First, in much of their range, cougars are more plentiful than ever.

Secondly, in many places, hounds are no longer an option. Public outcry over the use of dogs on bears and cougars has made such chase illegal in my home state of Washington, as well as in neighboring Oregon. California too has banned hunting cougars with hounds. (Note: Hounds remain legal for hunting cats in the Rocky Mountain States. Colorado, Idaho and Wyoming have seven-month seasons. New Mexico's cougar season runs from December to May, while Arizona's spans the entire year. Washington and California allow dogs on depredation hunts or when cats threaten public safety.)

Ironically, the anti-hound people have made it easier to get cougar licenses. With no other way to control cat populations, Washington now issues up to two tags per hunter. "The opportunity is there," says Danny. "If you like to track or call game, cougar hunting is a great way to extend your season."

Using a predator call to lure lions is another option. "You'll bring in lots of coyotes before you see a cat," Danny points out. On the other hand, if you don't have snow for tracking, the call is your best alternative.

Cougars thrive on deer - a full-grown cat may take one deer a week and nursing females more - but no big predator will turn down a free rabbit. Camouflage is vital, as cougars have excellent eyesight. Remember that cougars like to ambush their prey; keep that in mind when you choose a place to hide. Give the cat enough cover to approach within shooting range, but not so much that it can surprise you up close.

The countryis often steep and hard going.

Swelling Populations
With the hound closures, cougar populations have grown fast. The cats are now popping up where they didn't before, in areas with low deer numbers and less then optimal cover. You've read of them taking pets from suburbia and stalking joggers. When pushed from more desirable haunts by bigger, older males, the young get crowded against subdivisions, hungry enough to eat poodles. It's the price of territoriality. That situation works in your favor when you call, because inexperienced cougars in marginal habitat must pay attention to any available food source. Calling mature cougars in prime deer country is much less effective.

What about still-hunting? Forget it. I still-hunted deer and elk for 28 years before I saw a cougar, though the cats were quite plentiful in those areas. When, as a state wildlife officer, I followed a cougar that had mauled a horse, I understood why. The animal slid through thickets that would stop a snake. The spoor took me over and under windfalls, into ravines - all places a still-hunter would have trouble moving, let alone moving quietly. Eventually I bumped into a nest of hornets and thrashed out of the brush tunnel that had me all but trapped. I called for dogs and shot the cougar in a tree.

Since then, hunters and ranchers have told me about many incidental sightings. But when you add them up, they represent a huge block of field time - not counting tens of thousands of hours invested each year by hunters and stockmen who never see a cat.

I prefer tracking to calling, mainly because I like to move. Tracking conditions matter. Crusted snow may get you within rifle range of an elk, but cougars are hard to see far away, and to surprise one up close, you must have soft snow. In deep, fluffy snow, the cats also have a harder time moving, so chances are the trail will be shorter. Stay alert. Last winter I took the track of a cat up the side of a ravine with only a few pines on its hem. Above it lay open sage. Convinced the cougar was off to some more secure place, I scrambled up the slope - and stumbled upon the animal in its bed under a pine. It was gone in a blink.

Guns For Cats
You don't need a powerful cartridge to kill a cougar. A .250 Savage, .243, 6mm, .257 Roberts, 6.5x55 or .260 Remington is adequate. Use bullets of 100 to 120 grains. Pick a lightweight rifle and mate it to a compact scope. You'll carry the artillery miles before you shoot. Almost as important as the rifle is a good binocular. Again, weight matters. Even compact glasses work, though I prefer an exit pupil of at least 4mm. An 8x32 works fine.

Camouflage helps you see cougars before they see you. Wear white in snow. Dress in layers for winter tracking, so you can move fast without steaming up. I prefer unlined leather boots with aggressive lug soles.

Before you hunt cats, contact the state wildlife agency for regulations. Some states that allow use of dogs suspend hound hunts during deer and elk seasons. However you make your kill, you'll likely have to report it, and perhaps provide teeth for aging.

Most hunters prize a cougar's hide - rightfully so. If you don't want a life-size mount, the tawny-and white pelt makes a fine wall-hanging. Make sure to save the meat. It is tender and mild-tasting - like the best pork in flavor, texture and color.

From Cabela's http://www.cabelas.com/story-123/vanzwoll_cougars/85/The+New+Way+To+Hunt+Cougars.shtml

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Llano county

I just order this Burnham Brothers - Mountain Lion cassett, that was all I could find, from www.AllPredatorCalls.com.  It should arrive in a week.

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Palo Pinto county

You can borrow my son, tie some ribeyes around his waist and hunt over him like bait! :-)

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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Llano county

Thanks!!!

We thought of purchasing a kid goat, but your son would be cheaper.

 

 

That's my kind of humor. :-)

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Palo Pinto county

A lot cheaper, but a LOT more trouble.....

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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I found some neat cougar sound tracks.

Roar http://www.bear-tracker.com/roar.wav

Female in heat http://www.bear-tracker.com/images/femalecougarinheat.wav

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Some more sound tracks.

Growl http://www.sound-effect.com/sounds1/animal/BigCats/cougar7.wav

Scream http://www.sound-effect.com/sounds1/animal/BigCats/cougar6.wav

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Llano county

Found some more

Young cougars, sound kind of like birds. http://www.wildaboutcats.org/apachirp.wav 

This is a males "request call" or "Gimme some attention!"   http://www.wildaboutcats.org/apacry.wav

Another female in heat http://www.wildaboutcats.org/Pumacry1.wav

 

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Llano county

I got my Burnham Brothers; #29 Mountain Lion cassette in.  It sounds real close to the female in heat above.

We are going to use more of the cottontail and jack rabbit tapes for calling.   But, if they don't seem to interest the cats, a few days latter we will try the #29 cassette.

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Palo Pinto county

Let us know how you do.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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let us know how this hunt went.

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I'm leaving in the morning. 2/16/07

Wish me luck!

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Palo Pinto county

Good luck. Be careful. Git something good.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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be patient with coyotes it is usually within 10 or 15 minutes with alion it would probably take more like an hour but remember that when you see them they might have already seen you.

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Llano county

Howdy guys,

Just wanted to share a few details from this hunt.

I just got back from West Texas,  spent several days on a ranch in Brewster Co.  I took my old pre '64 Winchester 30/30 and hope to have a chance to use it.  We hiked an average of four miles per day going through canyons looking for mt. lion signs.  After several days we finally found tracks, then some scat in some of the Indian caves and then the killing field which had several deer and javelina kills less than a week old. By then we only had a few days left, so we put out some steel traps.  The next night the lion was hot to trot and with a long gait it stepped over our traps.  It did not return the following night and we had to take up our traps, leaving for a hog hunt.

We then drove 145 miles up to the Davis Mountain for some hog hunting.  We traveled an average of 20 to 25 miles per day on ATVs, hog damage all over the place.  We heard a few seconds of squeals a few times, but never did find them in the canyons and thick pines.  They had had about 5 to 6 weeks of snow and cold weather, the week before we arrived the snow was gone and the hogs had moved way up into the mountains, back to new ground.

Only kills were a few gray fox on the lion hunt.  The place was over run with fox, we called at several set per day hoping to find a lion and the fox would run around looking at the woodpecker decoy.  We had them stop at the end of our guns, run around us and look real close.  None of them EVER made us out or barked, but they knew that something was not right.  One night we had 6 come in at one set, so we dusted five.  We did call in two bobcats, did get a chance for a good shot.

Had a blast and seen a lot of beautiful country, from the dry Chihuahua dessert to the beautiful pine tree covered Davis Mountains.

Leaving Thursday evening to spend a night in Austin and leaving about 6am for Port Aransas for some fishing.  Hope we fish better than we hunt. :-)

Happy trails,
don

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Palo Pinto county

Good times.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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You can read my journal entry here

http://www.texashuntfish.com/thf/app/journals/449/Mt-Lion-Hunt-in-West-Texas

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